Monday, 3 April 2017

Supernatural Think Tank - Anna's Thoughts on 12x16 Ladies Drink Free



I really enjoy watching the evolution of relationships on this show.  I'm not only talking about Sam and Dean's relationship with each other, but the relationship that they form with others.  I also enjoy witnessing the way the Winchesters influence other people's behaviour and mindset.  This aspect that I love so much was prevalent in this episode. 


Mick-Introduction to the human aspect.

I've said it before and I still believe this to be so, I find Mick's character to be very similar to S4 Cas.  He is also quite similar to early Dean.  Mick, like Cas and Dean, holds onto a very black and white outlook that had been conditioned into them.  They also blindly followed the orders given to them by their superiors/fathers. Mick's job is to kill monsters.  When the orders come from above to kill something, he does the job. Mick is part of an elite secret society charged with the task of saving lives against the supernatural. He is part of the group that holds the largest collection of occult lore in the world.  This group also has developed modern technological advances to destroy these monsters.  Mick is part of a group of individuals whose job it is to protect human lives, so for Mick there really is no questioning what needs to be done or how.  Mick isn't accustomed to murky waters, for him it's always been the clear deep blue sea.

 Devils Advocate:  I am not condoning Mick's behavior, but I do understand it.   Mick is not a hunter, he's an academic or for lack of a better term at the moment...a paper pusher.   He is a BMOL who has spent years acquiring knowledge and weaponry in their quest to rid the world of monsters.  He takes orders from those above him, which he follows without question.  The orders he receives he passes on to the hunters who work for him, hunters like Ketch.  Ketch is the one who experiences the kill. He's the one who has contact with the monsters.  If the BMOL were looked upon as a company, Mick would be considered a General Manager at  most.  Mick clearly has no experience or understanding of the human aspect of what they do. He seemed to have gotten his first introductory lesson to that during this episode.

I really got a kick out the way Mick invited himself on this hunt.  I kind of wonder if he was ordered to go on this hunt to keep an eye on the Winchesters or whether he decided after the debacle in the Raid, that it was in his best interest to get some hands on experience hunting.  He did admit that if Sam hadn't been in the bunker, he'd be dead.  So Mick may very well be taking his first baby steps to start thinking for himself. I'm not saying it's right, but I do understand Mick's position on killing the girl once he discovered she'd been bitten.  I found it quite telling that he was sad when he found the bite mark. We can see the human side of Mick not only when he found the bite, but in his apology in having to kill her.  Mick didn't tell the boys about the bite.  He most likely didn't trust that they'd do the job, given they had let Magda go. If the BMOL have been studying the Winchesters as they have noted, then they should be well aware by now that the Winchesters don't kill children.  Dean of course saw what Mick did as a betrayal.  He didn't trust him from the start and immediately accused him of killing the girl. Dean was right of course.   Playing devil's advocate here, I can see why Mick didn't see reason for telling the boys. Mick's job is to ensure the monster dies. He's only answerable to the BMOL, so for Mick, Sam and Dean are there to do a job and are doing a job for him.  He doesn't have to answer to them. Mick is also used to following orders given to him, so if he's ordered to ensure that the werewolf who's killing people be killed, then he'll do the job.  If Mick encounters other werewolves, he'll make sure they are killed as well.  Mick stated his job, ridding the world of monsters.  It's that easy.  He is yet to experience the gray of it all. Now was Mick right to kill the girl?  That's hard to know for certain.  When the girl changed, the first thing she did was attack Mick.  What if her mother had been in the room?  What if it was a doctor or a nurse?  Would she have attacked and killed them?  If Mick hadn't been in the room with the injection to kill her, one,  she might have killed innocents in her attempt at escape and two, he never would've experienced first hand what it's like to personally kill a monster.  A monster who in this case had not a few hours earlier been simply an innocent girl. As sad as the entire situation was, this was an important lesson for Mick.  Now he's that much closer to understanding that hunting monsters isn't all black and white like he previously believed.  Welcome to the "gray" Mick.  Hope you like the way it looks on you.

Merry Go Round

We can't seem to get away from the deception aspect of our little show.  Claire is lying to Jody.  Mick is lying to the boys.  The victim was lying to her Mom and brother.  Of course the killer was lying to the boys, but that is as it should be.  The lying from all stems from the same thing, fear of the reaction from others.  Lying seems to be a prevalent theme this season. What I questioned the most here is Dean though.  We just had Sam come clean with Dean because he realised that lying wasn't the right path just because you feared someone's reaction. Lesson learnt, at least for the moment.😚  What surprised me here though was Dean.  Dean asked Claire if she was going to talk to Jody.  When Claire said she didn't know, Dean told her that whatever her decision, he would back her play.  So if Claire hadn't listened to Sam and continued to lie to Jody, Dean was going to go with it and lie to Jody as well.  WTF?😮  Does he not remember what happened when he lied to Ellen?  Didn't we just go through this? Wasn't part of the reason Dean was so pissed at Mary because she lied? Here we are again.  I kind of have to ask myself why that is.  Is it just pure habit?  Is something more going on that makes Dean more understanding of why people are not so quick to reveal the truth?


Claire

I'm trying to figure out what the point of her was supposed to be here, in this particular scenario.  Was she simply to have an effect on Mick, to sway his black and white way of thinking?  Does she represent where Supernatural might lead to? Is her relationship with Jody supposed to remind us of Mary?

Claire is a conflicting character in the way that the fandom seems divided on the way they feel about her.  Some consider her a fan favourite, while others count the days to her demise.  I don't really think much about Claire, like at all.  Her appearance doesn't really stir up any feelings of anything.  I don't care if the kill or her keep her.  I guess I will say that I appreciate it more when her appearances are farther and few between, just because I don't find her character all that compelling. Why was Claire the character of the week?  Well, she was sneaking out and hunting on her own, which ironically bothered Sam the most.  Sam had been the one to talk to Claire, call her out on acting like a stupid kid (which is totally true) and insist she call Jody and tell her the truth.  Sam had just been in a similar type scenario, so this is all very true to his character. He doesn't want her to make the same mistake he did. He doesn't want either one of them to get hurt. Was Claire in this instance supposed to represent Mary?    Claire is also somewhat responsible for Mick seeing the grayer side of hunting.  Killing Hayden was hard for him.  He felt guilty.  He was even remembering having Magda killed and he didn't seem all that happy about that either. I don't think Mick wanting to help save Claire was just about his fear of the Winchesters killing him.  I think it's very possible, becoming hands on in a situation where an innocent was trying to be saved instead of killed was a real eye opener for him. I think Claire and the boys wanting to save her influenced Mick to understand that hunting isn't has black and white as he was conditioned to believe.  Claire might also be a character who's being set up to be a future hunter for a spin off.  The Wayward Daughter idea seems to be a popular one among some of the fandom.  What I really found fascinating, much the way Sam did, is the existence of the Kendrix School. A place where BMOL and hunters are trained.   If they did go the way of spinning off Supernatural with a new generation of hunters, I think it would be cool to take place in England.  The spin off could revolve around the school.  

Another nice idea is the notion, that Sam become a teacher in AMOL.  Maybe set up a school in the bunker, while Dean trains future hunters.  A nice idea for the boys, as they get older to still remain in the game, and survive.


Sam

I'm going to do it now.  I'm going to sing the praises of Sam Winchester in this episode.  Sam covered all the emotions with this one.  He went from being totally and adorkably geeky every time anything that had to do with lore and research was mentioned.  He was excited at the idea of a Hogwarts type school that taught and trained young BMOL and hunters alike. He was downright blissful at the idea that Kendrix held the largest amount of occult lore in the world.  He was totally into the podcast regarding Martin Luther who turned out to be a hunter in the early 16th century.  You know when you were a kid, there was always that one kid on the block who always had really cool toys, or lived in a really big house and you hung out with that kid, not so much because you liked him/her on a personal level, but because you wanted to play with their toys.  That's exactly what Sam reminds me of right now in regards to Mick/BMOL.  Yes, Sam acknowledged the wins and saving lives of course working with Mick and the BMOL, but his sheer joy came from the expansive amount of books/lore/ knowledge the BMOL have acquired.  Let's face it...Sam is a geek.  He's a research enthusiast.  Sam never balks at the notion of having to do research the way Dean does.  Dean rather do anything else.  How many times have we seen Dean go off to a bar to have a good time, and Sam choose to go back to the hotel and look up the lore. He's an academic who craves knowledge the way Dean craves action. In that way, they complement each other. Most of the time Sam spent in defense of Mick and the BMOL was regarding not them on a personal level, but the fact that they had information that they could use, that would help.  It was by researching BMOL books that Sam discovered that there might actually be a cure for Lycanthropy.

It was fun to see that part of  him shine through with such glee.
I loved the look of distress on his face when he realized that he had his own room in the 3 star hotel. His reaction to Dean in the pool sans swimsuit was priceless. Yes, there was plenty of smiles going around for Sam in this one.

Then of course we had the rip out my heart strings moment, or what I refer to as the Madison moment? 
I couldn't help but think of Sam thinking of Madison when he was sitting on chair watching Claire go through that agony when she took the antidote. The look on Sam's face when she stopped moving.  😥💔 I was also reminded to be reminded of the scene in AHBL when Dean grabbed onto Sam whispering the words "I got you", much the same way Sam had done with Claire.  So the rewatch was even more 😫 I also loved that Sam recognized that it was Claire's life and she had every right to decide how she wanted to handle her predicament.

Then of course we got bad ass Sam who is so damn.....mmmmmmm! His "you killed a kid, we're not angry, we're done".....Mick was lucky to be on the other side of the room at that moment. 

I knew Sam had told Dean about the events of the Raid.  I had said it. I couldn't imagine Sam not telling Dean what happened.  I'm not sure how exactly it did go down, but the way I picture it, he likely told Dean about the events of the Raid for the most part, but I think he might have left out the part where he killed the Alpha. I do however believe that when Sam came clean to Dean about working with the BMOL and apologizing for not telling him, I do think that this conversation continued off screen and Sam told him about how he actually killed the Alpha. Now I have to wonder if he mentioned the Colt.  I hope we find out soon, as I'm kind of curious. 

Dean

I totally loved Dean's joy at staying at the shabby 3 star hotel.  I love that he finds joy in the little things in life, like big pillows with tiny chocolates on top of them, free mints which of course he had to take a handful of and stick in his pocket and of course little tiny bottles of shampoo.   He even takes time out for a morning skinny dip.  In typical Dean fashion, he won't give Mick an inch, noting he slept better in his Baby. 😋
Dean's total distrust in Mick played front and centre during this episode.  Being leery of him from the start, Dean didn't hesitate in presuming Mick's part in what happened to Hayden. When Dean pays attention, he pays attention and there ain't no way you're going to deceive him when he gets this way. Love this part of Dean.  
I really enjoyed his confrontation with Mick and loved that show brought up Dean's past belief regarding the Supernatural vs. the present   For example,  Dean, by his own admittance believed " if it's supernatural, we kill it, that's our job".  It was Sam's response "no Dean that's not our job.  Our job is to kill evil, if it's not killing people, it's not evil", that had Dean considering the "gray" aspect of hunting that he's never seen before.   Dean said to Sam, " the way we were raised, to hate them, and I do, I hate them."   Dean was conditioned by his father to hate monsters. Dean also spent most of his life blindly following his father's orders without question.  In these ways, Dean shares similarities with Mick.  Of course Dean has changed.  Sam's influence, different experiences, and time itself has taught Dean that hunting isn't as black and white as he originally believed it to be. This is the message Dean had tried to convey to Mick. 
Dean was also in protective mode during this episode.  I liked how he threatened the bartender for getting handsy with Claire. I liked that he wouldn't let her drink a beer, but he totally made sure she had a good meal, complements of the BMOL of course.  In typical Dean fashion, when Claire was infected and was willing to try the cure, Dean automatically declared she didn't have a say in the matter...to which Claire responded...it's my life, I have all the say.  That was a good moment for Claire and a hard one for Dean. It's not easy for Dean to let go of those protective reins, but with a slight reminder from both Claire and Sam, Dean did the right thing. He followed Claire's wishes.  Dean has indeed come a long way.  This may be my own head canon, but I liked that Dean was willing to give Mick one more chance.  I believe it was because Mick saved Claire and saved Dean by shooting the werewolf.  I also think it might have to do with the fact that Dean recognised in Mick his own way of thinking once upon a time.  Dean was also consistent in his inability to watch those he cares about physically suffer.  He walked out of the room, much the same way he did when Crowley was sticking needles in Sam's head to expel Gadreel and when Sam was detoxing from the demon blood, both times.


Accolades

It was really nice seeing the actress who played Brenna Dobbs again. She did a great job playing the grieving mother.  I also like that they made her smart too, not buying into a school girl playing at being  a Wildlife and Fishery agent.  Jared and Jensen were absolutely at the top of their game in this episode.  They made me laugh, they made me cheer, they tugged at my heart strings...yes totally felt like I did a workout at the gym by the time this ep ended.  I love where the boys are right now, it's my favorite part of the this season.  I feel like I'm watching Jared and Jensen instead of Sam and Dean.  Adam was great as Mick.  He is quite humorous in his own right.  I enjoyed the conflict introduced for Mick for the first time.  I look forward in seeing where this leads.  I don't really have a good or bad opinion regarding Kathryn as Claire.  I think after so many episodes, it's kind of past due that she lose the attitude about nobody caring about her.  That ship has sailed so long ago.  I don't think she's a good hunter, like at all. They have yet to really give her any kind of skill set in regards to that.  Maybe that's why they mentioned Kendrix.  Maybe she'll end up going there because she certainly needs to.  I don't see her as sensible either, because hunters don't hunt alone.  She's not good enough to take on hunting by herself and to continue to do so doesn't make her brave, it only points out how little she actually knows. Maybe the next time around she'll be more competent...who knows...like I said, I'm not at all really interested in her character.   All in all, this was a really good episode. 



The Adorkable

Sam's enthusiasm over the BMOL vast amount of information/knowledge/training. 
Sam getting excited over the notion that there is a BMOL Training School that can be compared to Hogwarts.
Dean getting exasperated over Sam's excitement of there being a BMOL Training School similar to Hogwarts.
Sam totally fan-girling over Kendrix having the largest collection of occult lore in the world.
Sam enjoying the podcast on Martin Luther, telling Dean...it's educational🤓
Sam's face when he found out he was getting his own hotel room.😦
Mick's apology for the shabby 3 star hotel.🏨🌟🌟🌟
Sam spending the night in a 3 star hotel with a pool, doing research on the lore.📚
Dean skinny dipping....need I say more. 🏊
Sam's reaction to Dean skinny dipping😬...guess I did need to say more. 😁
Dean grabbing a fistful of free hotel mints.
Dean's excitement at those little tiny shampoo bottles. 


Quotes

"You killed a kid. We’re not angry. We’re done!"
-Sam to Mick

“Wow, that is some world-class repression. You are British."
-Dean to Mick

"He's Sam's best friend.   They are like nerd soul mates."
-Dean to Claire

“Killing monsters is what we do. Or maybe palling around with demons and witches, you’ve forgotten."
-Mick to Dean

Mick: The Kendrix School. It’s where the BMoLs train their operatives. It’s like our…
Sam: Hogwarts?
Mick: Exactly. Kendrix has the largest collection of occult lore in the world.
Sam: Cool! (Turning to Dean to share his glee)
Dean: (glares)

"If he's coming, you're babysitting him."
-Dean to Sam

We're working with these people and we're getting wins, we're saving people.
-Sam to Dean

Claire: "Stop treating me like a stupid kid!"
Sam: " Then stop acting like one!" 👏

Dean: "What about you?
Sam: "I was researching the lore."
Dean: "Those 3 stars were wasted on you."

"Those limey bastards ruined me."
-Dean to Sam

"Go nuts.  It's on Harry Potter."
-Dean to Claire (offering a menu and putting it on Mick's tab)

Hope you all enjoyed this week's romp. Til next time!
-Anna

Read sweetondean's review of Ladies Drink Free HERE

8 comments:

  1. I was having a hard time trying to see how Mick could be redeemed after sanctioning the killing of the soldiers. But your explanation makes sense. I know he was following orders but that just seemed a step too far. You are right he has been conditioned since birth to follow orders or people die. The mission is all that matters. Very much like S4 Castiel. That makes me feel a lot better about redeeming this character because I do like him a lot.

    I don't get Claire either. I think the story with just Hayden would have worked just as well (and given more screen time to Mick and the brothers). I know that Kathryn is very popular with the cast and showrunners but I just don't think she has the talent to carry a spinoff or become a series regular. Charlie would have been a better fit I think.

    A golden opportunity was missed for a Deanism. The minute that the mice were mentioned (even though it was an intense moment)....were-mice? mouse-wolves?

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    1. I agree, story wouldve worked without Claire.. They so missed out on Deanism. I also agree that she would need lots of help from other very talented people to pull off a spin off.

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  2. I am going on NO Dean still has not gotten full story. He is not going to question it there I am sure full story told he would ask about the colt and seeing it. So colt still secret what went down still a secret. I am just glad that Dean figured out that Mick was lying glad he had his radar on him all times to see if he was telling the truth. Can't understand how they can keep working with them but guessing saving Claire earned them one more chance. But I am going still with elephant in room and it what happened at the Raid. And yes Sam you can sing praises to but also Dean was good in this episode like a watchdog keeping track of Mick and interrogating him while interrogating the bartender which was great. Both boys did a great job I could do without Sam fan boying over anything the brits have it gets cute and annoying. Still wish we could have seen dean swimming nice to tease us but next time please deliver and the boys in the room would have been fun to see. JMO

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  3. I think saving both claire and dean earned him one more chance. I do believe i mentioned the love for dean in this ep as well. I domy part for sam here because i know amy takes care of the dean love in her reviews....we both love both boys...her dean love shines thru in her reviews, my sam love shines in mine...our love for both in both reviews....we just complement each other. I kind of love sam getting excited about all things academic the same way i enjoy dean getting excited over the little things...i laugh at how different they can be at times..i do agree that a visual wouldve been nice..




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  4. I dont think Dean wants to back up Claire in lying to Jody. I think he's learned to trust people enough to give them the time to work things through in their own time (like Sam gave him time to get on board with working with/for the BMOL, And on other occasions). In my opinion, he trusts Claire to make the right decision on her own (thus treating her as an adult). Sam's not so sure about that, obviously, treating her more like the teenager she still is (while their roles are reversed later, when Claire decides to try the cure). Maybe it's because Dean had to grow up so soon, paired with the growth he's gone through, and also Sam's influence. I'm not convinced he'd go through with it in case Claire hadn't clued Jody in on her activities.
    I'm also pretty sure Sam hasn't told the whole truth about the Raid yet (colt/Mary's role in it), and it'll be interesting to see where that's taking us...
    I'm a little tired of "Uber-Sam" this season, so it was nice to get the chance to smile about his geekiness this episode ;). Go geeks!!!
    he's smart enough not to be blinded by the BMOL's wonderworld of supernatural magic - if anything, their sloppy intel has taught him they are not as great as they think they are (and lack the Winchesters' understanding of humanity).
    But yes, the place the brothers are in is pretty comfortable to watch...let's see how long it lasts!
    A Kendrix Hunter School spin-off might be a possibility, (albeit not one i'd be interested in one bit). I just love the gritty, grimy, gory, messy, hands-on way things are handled in Supernatural. Lore is interesting (and always gets that special extra twist in Supernatural that i love, and that often is hilarious, especially for someone coming from Catholic school like me ��), but a means to an end. Supernatural discusses such elementary, basic, deep questions of humanity and society in the "disguise" of a sci-fi show, and that's what has drawn me to the show for years and years (well, and, you know... a certain pair of brothers).
    What you said about Mick: hell, yes! Great analysis. Next episode's sneak preview didn't bode well for poor Mick- it's not easy living in a world of greys, there's a reason why people cling to black&white wolrd views after all. And the "assimilate or eliminate" quote gave me goosebumps... damnit, Show, you're right on the spot again.

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  5. That's a good way of looking at it. I hope that's the case. I only wondered about it, because I was thinking if Claire hadn't heeded Sam's advice about talking to Jody. Then she would still be out there hunting, Jody not knowing and if she ended up getting killed, Dean would feel guilty because he'd known what she was up to and never said anything. Another merry go round that I would like show to be done with, having Dean feel guilty about stuff all the time. He's come so far and we've seen less of that lately...it's been nice.

    I do wonder about the colt though, but not necessarily in the same way as most. I can't help but wonder if the fans are giving that gun more sentiment than the writers/ hence the boys... It is just a gun. Now granted I know it killed Yed and John wanted it...but that's really all there is to say about it.

    The boys wanted the gun to kill Luci. When it didn't work, there was really no need for it any more...Think about it. When the attempt at killing Luci failed, and Cas took the boys away, there was never a single solitary mention that the boys had gone back to look for the gun. They didn't even mention the gun again until Frontierland. Dean had read that the phoenix was killed by the gun, so he and Sam had gone back in time to borrow the gun from Samuel Colt. All Dean wanted at the time was phoenix ash...he threw the colt on the ground. he could have held onto it...and when they got back to Bobby's there was absolutely no mention of the colt by Dean...he didn't was upset about the ash. There was no mention at any time after, not even a little comment where dean said anything sentimental regarding the colt. We've never heard talk of the gun again.

    I keep going back to Fan Fiction and Dean's surprised reaction to how Marie perceived the amulet. He was clueless towards the sentiment towards it and what it meant to others. Dean simply saw it as an God seeking amulet that never worked anyway. He didn't need a trinket to remind him how he felt about his brother. I feel like Dean represented the writers here while Marie represented us. We felt more about the amulet. We are the ones who made it so special. Dean realizing God was out of the pic in DSOTM, losing all faith, simply saw the amulet as something that didn't do its job.

    I can't help but think that we are doing the same again regarding the colt. we are giving it sentimentality that the boys might not actually feel about it. The gun was never John's, Daniel Elkins had it. John only wanted it to exact his revenge. Once they did that, the gun was a gun. Since the arrival at the bunker, the boys have come across their own powerful weapons and tons of knowledge and lore they never had before in which to deal with whatever comes their way. We're not even sure that gun can kill Luci's spawn. The BMOL might have just wanted it to add to their collection of powerful weapons. Hopefully we will learn more about the gun in that respect. But it couldn't kill Luci and the baby is supposed to be powerful..so I don't know that that's the way to go anyway.

    If anything, I think the fact that Mary lied to them about stealing it in the first place might get to Dean, not the gun itself. Her actions...now I can see why Sam would refrain from telling Dean that given his current issues with his mom and sam's desire to keep his family together. I'd like to see how that plays out...but in all honesty, I don't see any reason for Dean caring about a gun he hasn't even thought about or really shown interest in since he had to kill the phoenix.

    I actually wouldn't be interested in any spinoff the boys weren't in anyway. As far as a spinoff, I always thought it would be better to delve into the history of both the Winchesters and the Campbells rather than bringing on a new generation.. JMO of course

    Thanks for the feedback. :D

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  6. You have to look at Sam's reaction to the colt and finding out mom stole it. I mean it was something that Dean and Sam kept in their arsenal until apparently Crowley found it and gave it to I forget the guys name already who kept it in a case where apparently the BMOL knew where to find it. And if it wasn't such a big deal then why hasn't Sam brought it up like hey you wouldn't believe what the brits found or mom found and gave to the brits its the colt. I think it will be a big deal because of the very thing that killed the YED. John sought it out the boys kept it safe until yes they lost it I am sure if they ever got word on where it is I am sure Sam and Dean would have gone looking for it. Heck Sam brought it up in S5, came back around in S6, true haven't seen it since until now that the brits have it. So I think the secret will be a biggie and I am hoping does nothing to the brothers Dean handles it well finding out but I am sure he is going to wonder why Sam kept it from him. And sure Mary's part in it won't bode well but like I said I am hoping that Dean does handle it well. But I think the colt holds a lot of significance to the Winchesters if it didn't why bring it back? Just like you said the amulet why Sam pick that up? wasn't just a tool to find god it was something Dean held near and dear to him. Everything holds some significance to the boys and like I said Sam's reaction to seeing the gun again will be just like Dean but hopefully Dean won't find out in a way that will hurt his relationship with mom and brother. Secrets are never a good thing between family.

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  7. i'm not sure if sam's reaction was to the colt...or if he was remembering how mary kept silent while they all almost died because of it. I do hope whichever way it is we find out for sure. There's still so much that Mary and her sons need to talk about. I so hope we get to see some of it this season.

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