tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468827929342532499.post8150160704240774115..comments2024-01-14T20:10:35.255+11:00Comments on sweetondean: Review - Supernatural 10x10 "The Hunter Games" - There's a Little Monster in All Of Ussweetondeanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01521111526235603389noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468827929342532499.post-87992516989499651322015-01-27T11:27:21.240+11:002015-01-27T11:27:21.240+11:00nappi! It's so great to see you! I've alwa...nappi! It's so great to see you! I've always enjoyed your insights.<br /><br />You and I are on exactly the same page as far as Carver and his plan (and everything else!). I could see from the beginning where he was taking us and what the outcome would be. That putting the brothers into the situations that they have been facing, having them walk a path the other has taken, and learning what that path feels like, would bring about a greater understanding of each other and themselves and lead them to the more mature communication and relationship that Carver spoke about. <br /><br />To have brought them to this place without them having gone through the hard yards would have seen false and empty. But to see them continue to cling to each other, despite all the water under the bridge and understand that they do continue to need each other, has been rewarding to watch. <br /><br />To see them take this journey leading them to where they are now and where I agree with you, they will finally end up, has been epic. There have been times where it's been challenging, but all great stories are challenging and Sam and Dean's story is one of the great ones.<br /><br />Thank you so much for coming over and sharing your insight. Like you, I always feel so happy to see someone whose opinion is the same as mine - who sees the big picture the same way I do. It makes me feel less alone out there!<br /><br />I agree, the story Carver has told so far has been amazing. And I'm sure it will continue to be.<br /><br />Hope to see you here again!<br />-sweetondeansweetondeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01521111526235603389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468827929342532499.post-39651296067732929072015-01-27T09:22:38.932+11:002015-01-27T09:22:38.932+11:00that's how we go into s9...dean's monster ...that's how we go into s9...dean's monster takes over again. his lack of self worth. his self loathing.....overpowers dean and has him do questionable things even for the right reasons. and when sam finds out....it's more than dean can handle. he literally abandons sam on that bridge. he can't face sam...because he can't face his own monster. if dean were to talk to sam right there and then....sure sam would've ripped him a new one, but if he had stayed...if he'd have been able to face his inner monster...to explain truly why he did what he did....he never would've ended up a demon....<br /><br />but dean's monster is too strong...and then his monster manifests into a walking, talking, boozing, womanizing, bad karaoke singing killer. here we are now in s10....as the battle against this monster continues...<br /><br />and don't get me wrong...sam has his monster too. his lack of self worth is just as bad as dean's. only it affects them differently. sam believes himself to be the least of them all. he feels as though all he is to his brother is a major failure. his worth is so lacking that he misconstrues dean's words in the purge as them fighting the world together as a mere confession by dean that he only saved sam because he doesn't want to be alone. dean didn't save sam for sam, that he saved sam because he wanted someone to hunt with. the constant misunderstanding between these boys that stems from this monster they both have. this monster that has ea. brother believe that they are a disappointment and a failure to the other...when that is so obviously not and has never been the case....<br /><br />these monsters have to die.....and now. and here we are heading into that final battle. this role reversal that the brothers are in right now. they are ea. in the other's skin and they are on the path to finally coming to understand where the other has been coming from. it's like getting lasik on their eyes and for the first time they are beginning to see ea. other clearly.... not only are they coming to understand the other's pov by experiencing what ea. has lived through, but they are truly communicating now. that fear of opening up is chipping away, the monster isn't as strong as it's been, the power of love is stronger...love is stronger than darkness...it's sam's love for his brother that will give dean the strength he needs to control the monster inside. it's dean's love for sam that will enable him to conquer it.<br /><br />by the time this season is over, I have no doubt that the boys will finally accept not only who they are but love who they are as well .....and the relationship will be stronger and mature and they will love ea. other as the men they are now without the issues of the boys they were then. <br /><br />jmo of course. <br /><br /><br />aka (nappi815) as I was known on wfb :DAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02072198570267148553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468827929342532499.post-5576219767006054792015-01-27T09:21:02.281+11:002015-01-27T09:21:02.281+11:00the boys have always had their issues, monster, an...the boys have always had their issues, monster, and they were touched on over the years...but never truly dealt with until now. finally...and believe me this arc is ten years in the making. it started with quite the bang too. and it was so simple.<br /><br />sam thought his brother died. he broke. he imploded and ran away from the life that killed his entire family. and he kept a promise to his brother that if they died, they would leave it...after years of being told what's dead should stay dead...when it's your time to go..go...sam has learned this life lesson. when his brother returned sam had no idea that keeping his promise to his brother would end up disappointing dean yet again. though we start the season with the boys not as close as we hoped, there is a passion between them...you can see the love past the hurt and anger because hurt and anger only exists because of the love. now I thought dean was an ass for the entire first half of the season..a hypocrite really..because sam only did exactly what dean did two seasons earlier. so why then was dean so angry with sam? was he? and it got me to thinking sod, this is the inner monster that dean will be battling as the story progresses. I got to thinking why was dean truly upset with sam, sam only did what he was told. it dawned on me. I think dean was angry at sam not because dean suffered in purgatory, but because he didn't. because sam didn't look, dean was free to be a killer. because sam wasn't there with him, dean was free to enjoy the killing. if sam had been with dean in purgatory, granted they would've killed to survive, but do you think with sam by his side dean would've found the joy in it? I believe no. I think that's why dean built up benny to be more than a monster. after giving amy that speech about monsters right before he killed her and then all of a sudden benny is the exception to dean's monster rule? he seemed to go right back to the monster notion in Hibbing 911 when dealing with those vamps..so why then did dean turn benny into the exception? he certainly didn't trust benny when they were on top. and benny would've drank dean the moment he met him if dean wasn't his ticket out. benny saved dean sure, they saved ea. other sure, but for the sole purpose of escape. so why did dean paint benny as something he actually was not. the way I see it, dean needed to believe benny to be more like a human or else dean would be nothing more than a monster. <br /><br />dean's experience in purgatory fueled dean's belief that he is no good and merely a killer. dean's attempt to believe in benny after their escape nearly destroyed his relationship with his brother. we saw in the second half of s8 dean's total 360 towards sam, even going as far as telling him he wants normal for him. dean spent the second half of s8 trying to make up for what he'd done to sam but also trying to be human again. to put the monster at rest. a bandaid, not a cure....<br /><br />but then sam was dying and dean couldn't let that happen. not only is taking care of sam who he is, but being with sam keeps dean human. sam's light overpowers dean's darkness. his lack of self worth. sam gives dean worth and without him dean doesn't like what he becomes. it's why he goes to such extremes to save sam. death is just not an option..<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02072198570267148553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468827929342532499.post-79991133709650539552015-01-27T09:18:57.727+11:002015-01-27T09:18:57.727+11:00hey sod...miss you over at the wfb...miss all your...hey sod...miss you over at the wfb...miss all your positive and insightful thoughts..lilah was kind enough to direct me to your website. glad to see that you are still posting. as always , a pleasure to read. <br /> <br />you know, two and a half years ago, when carver took over, there was a lot of complaining about what he was doing. perhaps you recall. at that time I had posted many a post defending carver and actually lauding him on the story that he was in essence about to embark on. knowing carver from his past eps and the fact that he was coming from a show called being human...it didn't take me long to figure out where carver was going...and though in the beginning it was a little rough, I think he has told an amazing story thus far.<br /><br />carver did something that I think it quite brilliant. there was no topping the apocalypse...and I loved soulless sam story and I though sera did an incredible job, but her mistake I think was to try to go as big as the apocalypse with leviathans, and it just didn't work out so well. now I liked s7, but a lot of people complained. they all thought there was a disconnect between the boys. I think what happened was that while sera was trying to isolate the boys by killing off their friends and family, she accidentally isolated sam and dean from ea. other. they didn't seem as close as they should've been under those circumstances. but then carver came with a different angle. he can't top the apocalypse, so why even try? so he did something that no showrunner has done to date...he introduced a new monster...not a big bad end of the world monster...but something more personal ....he introduced the boys inner monster...the big bad they had to fight was what was inside themselves. I thought that a spectacular story to tell and I so tried to explain that for the last two years. it's so wonderful to see that you see the same story as well. you and farawayeyes have validated every post I've written for the last few years. I appreciate that to no end. <br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02072198570267148553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468827929342532499.post-70097972166959394752015-01-27T07:00:22.918+11:002015-01-27T07:00:22.918+11:00You've obviously thought about this a lot! It&...You've obviously thought about this a lot! It's a very well thought out scenario! But I can't say I agree with your idea.<br /><br />I think the introduction of Cain was one of the most inspired storylines the show has come up with. The fact that the thing on Dean's arm is ancient, Biblical and of legend makes it all the more terrifying. It also makes the removal of it seem that much more difficult. It's way beyond anything they've ever had to deal with. Way beyond normal magic. <br /><br />And the fact that Dean took it voluntarily without thought of consequences, while in a bad emotional place, makes the situation that much more regretful and tragic. <br /><br />I don't see Cain as evil. In the show's lore, Cain chose to take the Mark to save his brother from Lucifer. Killing his brother sent him to Heaven instead. It was a selfless act of sacrifice which cost Cain everything. Yes, he then became a Knight of Hell, and lived many years as a demon, but in the long run he chose not to live as a demon and chose instead to isolate himself in order to control the violence driven by the thing on his arm. He even managed to fall in love.<br /><br />I adore the Cain storyline and the twist the show put on it. It's up there with the Men of Letters for me as one of the highlights of the show over the last few seasons. sweetondeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01521111526235603389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468827929342532499.post-247436823983988452015-01-27T05:07:35.928+11:002015-01-27T05:07:35.928+11:00I liked this episode because Claire and Rowena sta...I liked this episode because Claire and Rowena started to grow on me. They are not out of the woods yet though for my final decision. Depends of course where their story goes. And I am with you guys. Rowena is clearly putting an act and I wish times 1000 that Crowley is not falling for it. One spot on the episode I think Rowena acted like herself and that was when she iced the butler. I am hoping to see more that version of her.<br /><br />The boys were great. All three of them. It was something when the brothers and Cas was in the bunker that felt homey and like family. The brothers, oh heavens how I like them this season and now as Cas is with them. Lets just say that those three belong together. I like the brothers but Cas is in my eyes family too. How Jared and Jensen performed. Both 10+ from me. I actually dislike Metatron for many reasons but Curtis really brought the act home in this one.<br /><br />Can't wait for next... Already I have a bad feeling about it. Poor Dean...<br /><br />- LilahAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15750045315538775297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468827929342532499.post-52708415517800416852015-01-26T23:32:58.231+11:002015-01-26T23:32:58.231+11:00While I'm enjoying the MOC storyline and love ...While I'm enjoying the MOC storyline and love seeing Sam in this role, (Lordy-lo, I LOVE seeing Sam like this), I wish Dean had been forced to take the Mark, rather than have taken it willingly, without finding out the consequences.<br /><br />The story could have progressed with Sam reeling Dean in and keeping him in check (so to speak) while they search for the person(s) responsible for Dean having the Mark. Cain wouldn't have to be evil, Rowena could have been behind forcing the Mark on Dean and Cas aides the brothers on their search for a way to rid Dean of the Mark. They fight demons - sent by whom they believe to be responsible, Crowley - to misdirect and mislead everyone while Dean learns - with Sam's help - to control the effects of the Mark and adapt to living with it.........while Crowley embarks on a mission to prove to everyone he is not responsible for either the Mark or the demon army hot on their trail......<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07256941731501366408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468827929342532499.post-50145174195106812902015-01-26T11:33:15.119+11:002015-01-26T11:33:15.119+11:00I so totally agree.I so totally agree.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17819654627351991723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468827929342532499.post-59576224891219295982015-01-26T10:28:43.924+11:002015-01-26T10:28:43.924+11:00I agree with you, we need Crowley to realise he...I agree with you, we need Crowley to realise he's being played and play his mother in return. Maybe that's what's happening but hasn't been revealed yet, because I find it terribly hard to believe Crowley, as wobbly as he currently is, would fall for her BS. He's been around the block too many times; he'd see through it.<br /><br />As for Dean, I think knowing that Sam believes in him. seeing how Sam is there for him 100%, standing by him, not judging him, being honest with him and not pressuring him in any way...but mostly, so obviously on Dean's side, will go a hell of a long way in helping Dean believe in himself. <br /><br />I'm also with you on the Demon Dean thing, I had issues around this happening to Dean for the reasons you say...but I did enjoy watching Jensen play Demon Dean. <br /><br />Could that have gone longer? Maybe. But there was the 200th episode and the show obviously wanted to do something special and having the brothers so far apart - in that one wanted to kill the other - was not going to be in anyway appropriate for how the show wanted to celebrate the 200th with its fans. <br /><br />But the other thing for me was, the longer Dean was a demon, the more bad things he would do, and Dean finds it hard enough to live with what he's already done, let alone to add in a litany of new "crimes", responsible or otherwise. The longer Dean remained a demon, the more irreparable damage may have been done to that character - at least in that characters eyes. And to explore Demon Dean and not have him do heinous demony things would have been a cop out. So it was kind of a rock and a hard place. Had the 200th not been in the way, I think I would have liked to see another few episodes of Dean trying to live as a demon and Sam on his tail - but no more than that.<br /><br />As it stands though - I'm in love with the prospect of Dean controling the Mark of Cain. So how it's ended up playing out, for me, seems like a far more interesting angle.sweetondeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01521111526235603389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468827929342532499.post-25523069978523734942015-01-26T10:00:25.219+11:002015-01-26T10:00:25.219+11:00Personally, I don't care too much for Rowena. ...Personally, I don't care too much for Rowena. She is SO over the top obvious in her manipulation of Crowley, it just makes me so frustrated that Crowley doesn't see it, or anybody else, and call her on it is beyond irritating for me. Right now I find the story boring and tedious. I hope it changes soon, and we get a smarter, wiser Crowley, the Crowley that we all knew and hated in S5.<br /><br />As for Dean and Sam - I am totally loving what they are doing with the brothers. At the end of S9 when we were first introduced to demon!Dean, I was not a happy camper. I think one of the big reasons I was so upset with this storyline is something you mentioned in your review. That up until now, Dean is the one person that has never been touched by the Supernatural. He was always the one untouched, unsullied, and I liked and appreciated the fact that our hero (my hero) has never fallen victim to it like everyone else has. Yes, he has come to the line many times, and maybe at times even crossed over it a little bit, but he has always found a way back. So, with him becoming a demon that was no longer the case, and I mourned that fact. But, now that we are watching Dean go through this, watching him fight against himself, fight against the supernatural that is now seeking to overpower him, and watch him and Sam draw closer to each other than they ever have, watch these brothers finally on the same page, in each other's corners - well - this has been a true treat. I am loving every single second we get of these brothers together.........FINALLY. We are seeing a growth in both men that is a pure delight, and we wouldn't have seen this growth had it not been for the path Dean is currently on. I also am loving Sam. I love that he has risen to the occasion of helping Dean out and "being" there for him - the way that Dean has been there for Sam their whole lives. I am loving that Dean is turning to Sam and that Sam has become Dean's anchor. It has been a long time coming to have these brothers at this point, and I say, the wait has been worth it. We wouldn't be having this "oneness" between the brothers if they had not gone through the journeys they went through these last couple of years. This episode was a delight to watch them together. Dean against Metatron was powerful, and I so wanted him to skewer Metatron and put him all out of our misery, but, perhaps he will still serve a purpose somewhere down the road. I am looking forward to seeing how Dean and Sam figure this all out. I believe in Dean. If the Mark cannot be removed, I do believe he has the power within himself to control the Mark. Sam believes in him - now all we need is for Dean to believe in himself.Evelyn Wollerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11711659511115068466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468827929342532499.post-85502392135025967092015-01-26T08:40:49.757+11:002015-01-26T08:40:49.757+11:00I'd take Allison's thought further and say...I'd take Allison's thought further and say that Dean's humanity, not just his belief in humanity, has always been a powerful force. That's why he has everything inside him to control the Mark. Because his own humanity is so powerful.sweetondeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01521111526235603389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468827929342532499.post-35543106174389880402015-01-26T06:08:20.105+11:002015-01-26T06:08:20.105+11:00Wow wasn't Jensen terrific in this episode. I...Wow wasn't Jensen terrific in this episode. I was terrified, worried, heartbroken, (uh, a little turned on) and every emotion in between. Why no Emmy's? I loved that Sam (and who would know better than Sam) gave Dean that little glimmer of hope in living with the evil inside him. FarAwayEyes said in her review that humanity is the most powerful force and that is what Dean has always believed in. That seems to be a theme this season. It is the power of humanity that seems to overcome all evil (that and the Winchesters).<br />Thank you for your review. It seems like all the pieces are in place now.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17819654627351991723noreply@blogger.com