tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468827929342532499.post2081357415148022130..comments2024-01-14T20:10:35.255+11:00Comments on sweetondean: Review - Supernatural Episode 11x11 "Into the Mystic" - I have a bad feeling about this...sweetondeanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01521111526235603389noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468827929342532499.post-58048913882058782152016-01-31T03:00:59.980+11:002016-01-31T03:00:59.980+11:00sorry I know that was a long one...I promise to be...sorry I know that was a long one...I promise to be shorter and sweeter in the future. <br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02072198570267148553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468827929342532499.post-63822431140552135912016-01-31T02:48:05.221+11:002016-01-31T02:48:05.221+11:00I believe with all my heart that it's the latt... I believe with all my heart that it's the latter, Option B. Dean's non reaction to Sam's confession has me convinced of this. But no matter how you look at it, Sam has borne the burden of this guilt to this day....and even though it would've been nice for Dean to admit that a promise was made, I think by telling Sam to let it go...he's long forgiven him...and all that matters is that they're together, was his way of letting Sam know that Dean loves him and never has truly seen Sam as a disappointment. I also think it implies that Dean understands. I think Dean understood ever since Sacrifice. Sam's willingness to die because he didn't want to let Dean down again, his confession that his biggest sins were letting dean down in the first place...it was then that Dean realized his part in making Sam feel this way, even if he didn't realize he was doing it. I think Dean also at this point understood where Sam was coming from, I think he understood all the way back to Larp and the Real Girl, when he confessed to Charlie. I think Dean's actions in the second half of the season basically was his way of letting Sam know he understood and was no longer angry, after all Dean has been through the same thing. I didn't see it necessary for Dean to talk about the promise and go into it all again, because I felt like he sort of did that in his own way during Sacrifice. Dean didn't need, want or even expect Sam to apologize. Sam's apology was not only for Dean, it was for Sam. Sam has been carrying this guilt for so long now, even still, even after brother's keeper....this was Sam letting go of the guilt. Dean didn't even know Sam was feeling this way....But when Sam does finally let himself free of the guilt....Dean, the king of guilt, is gracious enough not to dismiss it, but to allow Sam this freedom...and to assure Sam that none of it mattered and the only thing that's important to him is that they're together....and I appreciated that. :D <br /><br />This is kind of a p.s.<br /><br /> The reason i also believe it to be option b is because sam never used the words you were missing and i couldnt find you. Right from the start carver made it perfectly clear that sam thought dean was dead.....another reason is that there is no precedence for an agreement to be made about them being missing..everything that has ever gone wrong has been because of resurrections. I totally believe that deans question of not looking for him was not about him being missing, it was about sam looking for him as in looking for ways to bring him back...i dont think dean wasnt hearing sam when he repeatedly told dean he thought he died.<br /><br /> And as i think more about it, i am more sure than ever, given sams new outlook which is the boys old outlook, that sams apology was more about him believing he was weak when he imploded and ran. He has been so driven by his guilt over failing his brother he had forgotten what being a hunter was all about..he forgot about the innocents and his focus was soley on dean...by breaking and imploding, by running away, by carrying this guilt and being driven by it, he unleashed the d on the world. Sams weakness is guilt..by apologizing for it he rids himself of it..and by dean allowing sam to apologise, without going into his part..he is enabling sam to finally let go....now sam can do what it takes to stop the darkness without the burden of guilt influencing his decisions.;)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02072198570267148553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468827929342532499.post-65849081640743312112016-01-31T02:46:29.167+11:002016-01-31T02:46:29.167+11:00Sorry for digressing.....Sam's flaw was his lo... Sorry for digressing.....Sam's flaw was his low opinion of himself and his belief that he deserved to take the beatings and his belief that his brother saw him as a failure. (which was never the case and Dean's issues were not about Sam, they were about him...but then that goes back to Dean's flaw...same as Sam's ..self loathing....only it's worn differently on each of them...but the result is always the same....misperception and the false belief that they are a failure to the other).<br /><br /> If the stroll down memory lane did anything, it was having Sam recognize this guilt that stems from how he sees himself and not how his brother actually sees him. Showing Sam the moment with Amelia seemed to have the opposite effect on Sam....the way I saw it, it seemed to clarify once and for all that his time with Amelia wasn't about weakness, it was a sign of strength, Sam found a way to survive, because of his love for his brother. Sometimes one just needs a little time to regroup, by Sam focusing on Amelia, we see Sam not giving up on life, but as a means of surviving it, even he if had to do it by living a life that wasn't a reality. ;) But of course the guilt is still there. Lucifer did remind Sam of the guilt that he does feel. The guilt for breaking in the first place. The guilt for running away. The guilt for seemingly disappointing Dean.<br /><br /> I think Robbie Thompson has continued to use the double meaning method of writing in which the story can be interpreted in two ways, depending how you choose to view it. No matter how one chooses to view it, the same message is there. <br /><br /> Sam: "I should've looked for you . When you were in purgatory, I should've turned over every stone, but I didn't ...I stopped." This statement can be interpreted in two ways. <br /><br /> We have option A.<br /> One can look at it like this; "I should've turned every stone but, I didn't, I stopped"...Does that mean Sam in fact did try? Those first months when Sam said the just got in the car and drove, did he make the attempt to look but failed in that attempt? He stopped because he had no information, no clue, no help, nothing....did he convince himself that his brother had died because he couldn't face up to Dean just being missing and Sam not able to find him.? <br /><br /> or....<br /><br /> Option B<br /> "I should've looked for you." (as in I should've looked for a way to bring you back). "When you were in purgatory, I should've turned over every stone" (meaning, I should've looked for other ways besides demon deals to bring you back from the dead. I should've tried other methods, promise or not.) But I stopped (but instead I ran. I stopped hunting. I couldn't do it. I was weak and I failed you.) *This is of course how Sam sees himself, not at all as I see Sam.<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02072198570267148553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468827929342532499.post-38296288578987974622016-01-31T02:44:56.601+11:002016-01-31T02:44:56.601+11:00I just wanted to mention something regarding the p... I just wanted to mention something regarding the promise. This pact/agreement that was made is very important. Although made off screen, it was made for a reason. The three of them made this promise because of everything that's happened since Dean made his demon deal. This agreement didn't just come out of the blue, there is precedence for the boys to make this promise to one another. When the Winchesters make a promise to ea. other, they stick to it. We must remember the significance of this pact...if the pact didn't exist, then Sam most likely would never have imploded and ran. What we have to remember is, once upon a time Dean wanted to call it quits when Sam died. He said he gave enough. He said he lost enough...and when Bobby told Dean something big was coming, end of the world big...Dean's reply was "then let it end". The only difference between Dean's circumstance then, and Sam's back in s8, was that Sam was bound to a promise...and Dean, well was free to do whatever it took...Here's the kicker, it's Dean's act in the first place that ultimately led to the pact the boys made. If Sam wasn't burdened with a promise, he would most likely have looked for a way to bring his brother back from the dead. Without the agreement, there would be no implosion.<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02072198570267148553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468827929342532499.post-71369051096403701872016-01-31T02:42:54.647+11:002016-01-31T02:42:54.647+11:00Weakness has been a hot topic concerning Sam and D... Weakness has been a hot topic concerning Sam and Dean this season. They both believe that at one point they have been weak and thus perceive themselves to be a failure/disappointment to their brother. As we have seen in the last two episodes, and all those previously in one form or another, both these boys are still guilty of this false perception. I think Sam and Dean share the same basic flaw and it's THIS flaw that is their weakness at times, it's their own perception due to their low opinion of themselves which often leads to guilt. Lucifer had Sam thinking his moment of weakness came, not by keeping a promise, but by running away from hunting and hiding in a fantasy world that included a woman Sam never truly loved and a dog. Sam as he admitted, imploded and ran. He didn't have the strength at the time to stay in the life that killed his family, and he didn't have the strength any more to care about the rest of the world. At the time of his grief, until he hit the dog, Sam seemed to stop living and caring about anything. The truth of the matter is, hitting that dog saved Sam's life. Sam shifting his focus to start caring again, to start helping again, as is why he chose a broken Amelia, who had lots of similarities to Dean. In that time he chose to run, he found the strength to get through and even before Sam knew Dean was alive, he left Amelia and went back to the cabin. We saw Sam coming to terms with his need to stop running during his conversation with Amelia's father even before the call came in about dear dead Don's magical reappearance. Amelia's lost husband returned and the bond they shared was no longer there. Sam knew it was time to get back to his real life or at the very most he couldn't share a life with a woman he didn't truly love because love was never what brought them together. <br /><br /> If Lucifer tried to convince Sam that his greatest weakness was in leaving the hunting life and running from it, I disagree with Lucifer's assessment. Though Sam was broken, he found a way to survive. He found the strength to live again and when the time came, he left the life of normal and headed back to the cabin. Finding a way to survive a devastating loss is possibly one of the strongest things a person can do and not too long ago, Dean did the same thing in order to find a way to keep going, to survive as well.<br /><br /> The flaw here in Sam is his own perception of self loathing and guilt. He did nothing wrong in believing his brother died. He did nothing wrong in keeping a promise they made. He did nothing wrong when he broke and ran away from the life that killed everyone, Mom, Dad, Jess ,Dean, Bobby, Ellen, Jo, Ash etc....he did nothing wrong in finding a way to survive. What he did do wrong was allow himself to feel guilty over all of it, to believe that he was a failure to his brother. His flaw was in allowing his self loathing to take over and fall victim to misperception. He did not fight back when Dean constantly ragged on him about not looking. He doesn't give his brother a beat down when Dean doesn't get that he was keeping a promise to his brother and most importantly, he doesn't tell Dean himself that he imploded and ran, that it was hell, that all he wanted to do was look for a way to bring him back but they made a damn promise and that's what Sam believed Dean wanted.<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02072198570267148553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468827929342532499.post-89165442490765859162016-01-31T02:41:44.937+11:002016-01-31T02:41:44.937+11:00Great review Amy as per usual. Though we agree on...Great review Amy as per usual. Though we agree on the basics here, I think I differ a bit in the perception. <br /><br />In last week's episode, Lucifer tried to manipulate Sam by convincing Sam that he was too weak to take on the Darkness. He wanted Sam to believe that he no longer had the fight that he once had which had enabled him to save the world. Lucifer did this by taking Sam for a walk down memory lane, showing him what Lucifer perceived as Sam's boldest, bravest moments and then showing him when he lost it all. Lucifer showed Sam with Amelia and in that moment Lucifer did his damnedest to convince Sam that by choosing to run from hunting, by giving up, this was the moment Sam became weak, he lost his will to fight and he no longer has what it takes to beat Amara.<br /><br /> Lucifer's attempt to get to Sam failed, but it did manage to cause Sam to feel guilty all over again, this as we saw in the moments when Sam couldn't sleep and the conversation between him and Lucifer kept swimming through his head. The guilt is still with Sam as we all saw and finally got to hear in tonight's episode, but I don't think it's all black and white and I feel that both Andrew Dabb and Robbie Thompson have at last showed the fans what most of us have believed all along, so thank you for finally letting us see for ourselves what we've been saying all along.<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02072198570267148553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468827929342532499.post-23149159862898338672016-01-30T19:20:51.385+11:002016-01-30T19:20:51.385+11:00Lets see Misha likes Lustiel, Robbie had a poll on...Lets see Misha likes Lustiel, Robbie had a poll on his twitter Casifer or Cassifer, one fan tweeted my personal favorite (because the arch angel should get top billing) Luciel. I think it's up to us to decide. I'll go with the funniest.<br /><br />Boy did I love this episode. I have always loved Robbie's scripts and this is why. The Brothers are always in the forefront. He knows what makes Supernatural go round. Sam and Dean and their very complicated, intensely close bond is what brought us here and what keeps us around. <br /><br /> I know that Robbie in particular wanted very much to bring closure to the not-looking debate. I thought he handled it perfectly. Sam still felt tremendous guilt. Lucifer had opened and old wound and Dean squashed it. Dean told Sam how he felt in the church and when he saved his life in the hospital. It didn't matter to him what Sam did or didn't do. All that mattered was that Sam was with him and that he was safe. Sam told Dean once that he never had to apologize to him, not for any reason. It didn't matter to Sam what Dean did or didn't do. All that mattered was that Dean was with him and that he was safe. Chapter closed movin' on.<br /><br />I have this awful feeling that Dean is going to have to pay a hefty price because of Amara's influence. Not with Sam. I don't know what is coming for them but as we know with SPN it won't be pretty. But I do think whatever it is they will be together all the way to the end.<br /><br />The Banshee was the first monster since Bloody Mary that truly creeped me out. Great job show. Mildred and Eileen were perfectly cast. I hope we get to see more of them in the future. Mildred did have a ghost problem and Eileen was a MOL's legacy. I see them returning some day.<br /><br />Thank you for your great review as always. It was fun. And I agree "they are the squishiest badasses ever"!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17819654627351991723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468827929342532499.post-83963596299833448272016-01-30T16:44:23.854+11:002016-01-30T16:44:23.854+11:00Lustifer (or Casifer) really scares the bejesus ou...Lustifer (or Casifer) really scares the bejesus out of me... for what he's doing to Cas (is he still in there or in the Cage?); for him having access to the bunker (it makes my skin crawl to see him wandering freely around their home without Sam & Dean's knowledge); and for what he has planned for Sam & Dean. It's actually terrifying. <br /><br />I loved the immediate connection between Sam & Eileen, and the fun (and oft-times poignant) moments between Dean and Mildred. It was so awesome. <br /><br />I think it was particularly wonderful for Sam to connect with Eileen, a fellow-hunter whose mother had also died while protecting her child. I really do hope Eileen takes Sam up on his offer to hang out with them. They need to increase their circle of friends. <br /><br />Mildred was a beautiful character, oozing warmth, affection & humour. I adored the way she teased Dean, and I adored the way he was uncomfortable but inwardly pleased by the attention. <br /><br />The MOTW was scary, and it was great to see a monster we haven't seen before - but what made the episode memorable for me were all the conversations. Robbie writes the brothers so well, and he is great at creating new characters that we fall in love with immediately (as he did with Charlie, and now Eileen & Mildred). <br /><br />It was such a great episode... in what has been a wonderful season. I'm enjoying the ride. It's also great to read your reviews again, Amy :) Karen Grahamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04515914655654741888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468827929342532499.post-86303949087640027072016-01-30T15:48:06.787+11:002016-01-30T15:48:06.787+11:00Oh do I want to be Dee Wallace in those BTS shots!...Oh do I want to be Dee Wallace in those BTS shots! They are having so much fun.<br /><br />Loved your review. BTW, it occurred to me that Mildred was like a light and fluffy parallel to Amara. Here Dean had a woman who was absolutely hitting on him and while Dean played back a bit, he never felt overwhelmed. Amara, OTOH, is after him and he's unable to stop what's going on there. Mildred is the Light, Amara is the Dark. <br /><br />And I'll sign that petition to get Robbie chained to his Supernatural writing desk.<br /><br />SnazzyOAnnBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14911125913865397758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468827929342532499.post-84748565365024538202016-01-30T14:54:58.917+11:002016-01-30T14:54:58.917+11:00Loved your review and agree with just about everyt...Loved your review and agree with just about everything. Robbie really does know what makes us happy, brothers, brothers and more brothers!! I really am worried for Dean now that Lucifier/Cas knows about their bond, I was like Nooo!! Great episode and Jensen in the end scene, his face, I love his acting, sigh! <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468827929342532499.post-31983261640791129332016-01-30T14:49:40.602+11:002016-01-30T14:49:40.602+11:00Impending feeling of dread. Yep. That's it, an...Impending feeling of dread. Yep. That's it, and why I have a permanent knot in my stomach now. Doomed and damned we are. It's a bit early to be petrified of what's ahead, but I'm already there.Jolea M. Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439422510986488042noreply@blogger.com